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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanatos.ca/archives/698/comment-page-1#comment-11450</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/286345

&quot;These assertions were used to acquire grant money, specifically, the Carnegie Corporation which aids research into &quot;the potential security and humanitarian impact on the region&quot;.

&quot;The IPCC have now retracted their claim and revised their stance, stating that if the threat would to exist, it would take centuries.&quot;

Isn&#039;t that interesting.  Scientists with ulterior motives?  The hell you say!!  ;)</description>
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<p>&#8220;These assertions were used to acquire grant money, specifically, the Carnegie Corporation which aids research into &#8220;the potential security and humanitarian impact on the region&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The IPCC have now retracted their claim and revised their stance, stating that if the threat would to exist, it would take centuries.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that interesting.  Scientists with ulterior motives?  The hell you say!!  <img src='http://blog.xanatos.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanatos.ca/archives/698/comment-page-1#comment-11416</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s great to hear that you and Erin might be down here again, it&#039;ll be great to see the two of you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great to hear that you and Erin might be down here again, it&#8217;ll be great to see the two of you again.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Banack</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanatos.ca/archives/698/comment-page-1#comment-11415</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Banack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was hoping you&#039;d comment on this, Chris.  Thanks for your thoughts.

BTW, Erin and I will very likely be in San Diego again this summer, hopefully we can meet up with you guys again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping you&#8217;d comment on this, Chris.  Thanks for your thoughts.</p>
<p>BTW, Erin and I will very likely be in San Diego again this summer, hopefully we can meet up with you guys again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanatos.ca/archives/698/comment-page-1#comment-11414</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a research scientist I can say that we don&#039;t really make any profit on the research we do.  For example, I have a grant that provides me with money to buy myself out of my teaching so that I can focus on the research; I won&#039;t be making any more money, but I will have more time to do research.  As for the source of funding, most of it is from federal government sources and a smaller portion is from NGOs with specific and varied interests and then there is some form large corporations.

Getting funding isn&#039;t a simple thing.  For federal funding your research proposal, which explains why your research should be performed and supports your position with other accepted research, is heavily scrutinized.  There are specific research topics or areas to which the government agency allocates money  for research.  So, all research proposals dealing with a topic compete against one another for funding.  The selection for funding is by a peer review process, other expert scientists in the field who are not applying for funding that round review the proposals.  There are usually 20 scientists per committee and each proposal is reviewed thoroughly by a sub-committee who present the merits of the proposal to the whole committee and they debate which proposals merit funding.

The number of grants funded is typically only about 20% (or lower), so only the best proposals are funded.  So wild unsubstantiated speculation will not be funded, the proposal needs to present evidence that supports the hypothesis that is being proposed if there is even a chance for there to be funding.

So in the case of climate change research, decades of work and data have gone into developing an understanding of what has been happening.  The general public has only seen the final stages of a decades long evolution of the theory.   The experts have gone from being skeptics to seeing and discovering the facts that now form the understanding of what they believe.

Sorry for the long comment, as Cory stated, the general public often doesn&#039;t know what goes on in the scientific process, so hopefully this sheds some light on how the money is involved in research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a research scientist I can say that we don&#8217;t really make any profit on the research we do.  For example, I have a grant that provides me with money to buy myself out of my teaching so that I can focus on the research; I won&#8217;t be making any more money, but I will have more time to do research.  As for the source of funding, most of it is from federal government sources and a smaller portion is from NGOs with specific and varied interests and then there is some form large corporations.</p>
<p>Getting funding isn&#8217;t a simple thing.  For federal funding your research proposal, which explains why your research should be performed and supports your position with other accepted research, is heavily scrutinized.  There are specific research topics or areas to which the government agency allocates money  for research.  So, all research proposals dealing with a topic compete against one another for funding.  The selection for funding is by a peer review process, other expert scientists in the field who are not applying for funding that round review the proposals.  There are usually 20 scientists per committee and each proposal is reviewed thoroughly by a sub-committee who present the merits of the proposal to the whole committee and they debate which proposals merit funding.</p>
<p>The number of grants funded is typically only about 20% (or lower), so only the best proposals are funded.  So wild unsubstantiated speculation will not be funded, the proposal needs to present evidence that supports the hypothesis that is being proposed if there is even a chance for there to be funding.</p>
<p>So in the case of climate change research, decades of work and data have gone into developing an understanding of what has been happening.  The general public has only seen the final stages of a decades long evolution of the theory.   The experts have gone from being skeptics to seeing and discovering the facts that now form the understanding of what they believe.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long comment, as Cory stated, the general public often doesn&#8217;t know what goes on in the scientific process, so hopefully this sheds some light on how the money is involved in research.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Banack</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanatos.ca/archives/698/comment-page-1#comment-11413</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Banack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, scientists from around the globe generally don&#039;t band together to hide the truth--rather, they compete with each other to find new discoveries and make new publications in their field of expertise.   

So if one scientist or group of scientists can be lured by money or fame into making a claim that can be proven false, there will normally be other experts in that field who would see that as an opportunity to boost their own reputation by publicly pointing out the error.  

And even if those other scientists didn&#039;t point out the error, they&#039;d still be very unlikely to risk their own reputations by publicly agreeing with any idea that they know will eventually be proven false.

That&#039;s why it&#039;s such a big deal when scientists do all agree on something--they do so mainly because, in the face of evidence, they have no other choice but to agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, scientists from around the globe generally don&#8217;t band together to hide the truth&#8211;rather, they compete with each other to find new discoveries and make new publications in their field of expertise.   </p>
<p>So if one scientist or group of scientists can be lured by money or fame into making a claim that can be proven false, there will normally be other experts in that field who would see that as an opportunity to boost their own reputation by publicly pointing out the error.  </p>
<p>And even if those other scientists didn&#8217;t point out the error, they&#8217;d still be very unlikely to risk their own reputations by publicly agreeing with any idea that they know will eventually be proven false.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s such a big deal when scientists do all agree on something&#8211;they do so mainly because, in the face of evidence, they have no other choice but to agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://blog.xanatos.ca/archives/698/comment-page-1#comment-11412</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well put. The only concern that I would have is who is funding this very small group of experts and what type of vested interest do they have. I suppose we just have to trust in them because they are still a much more reliable source then the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put. The only concern that I would have is who is funding this very small group of experts and what type of vested interest do they have. I suppose we just have to trust in them because they are still a much more reliable source then the media.</p>
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